World of Warcraft: Legion

Start by preparing your sniffers! I have the feeling that the best expansion (after wotlk) is about to come!
I’m really excited about Legion… The main idea and features coming are amazing in my opinion!
I don’t like that much the idea about wielding legendary weapons like ashbringer and doomhammer, but if they are used only to fight in PvE, then I’m ok with it /emoticons/default_biggrin.png What do you think about it?

PD: WoD was disastrous

​Agreed, WoD was a complete joke. Legion is going to be fantastic and Blizz is FINALLY separating PvP talents from PvE - No more boohoos about “x class is too OP cry cry

git checkout -b 7.x

I wonder if they would release 6.3.x? I am not surprised of this fast announcement for new expansion /emoticons/default_smile.png

Watching! ^^

I don’t think there’s gonna be a final patch for WoD, but a pre-patch for Legion, all the intro thingie and bla bla bla…
I’m wondering if all the work done on 6.x branch will be applicable into a possible 7.x :heart:

WoW is not being written from scratch, every patch is an iteration over the previous so most work from previous versions is applicable to later versions.

They said they will not release any more dungeon/raid, so there is no reason for a major number to increase. I am sorry to say that it is very unlikelly we see any 6.3. But they still have to implement flying as they promised (unless they listened to all the cryers about fly hating)

BTW, offtopic, but I discovered that wearing a horde tshirt to a concert makes MUUUUCH people to recognize you, I was so impressed hehe

Will the trinity core remain on WOD 6.x until it gets a “complete” playable server experience like the 3.3.5 or quickly move on to 7?

Nobody can answer that yet.

From the outside view it seems to be a target conflict between core developers entertainment for newest features and the lag of server content updates?

https://community.trinitycore.org/topic/11714-world-of-warcraft-legion/

ZOMG!!! Dissension and criticism… shut them up… quick, quick.

All I play is the 3.3.5 project but what Maxxgold was saying was not unfair or untrue. If that is your definition of ‘too rough’ then you need therapy to learn to better cope with people that don’t immediately fall to their knees because someone has a tag under their name.

Every time someone criticizes the state of TC’s attempts to move forward it’s always the same ‘What have you contributed?’ Sorry that us peasants aren’t uber-coders like all of the recognized developers but ya’all are just slightly more advanced than we are. The complexity of the project makes it very difficult for someone to just jump in and make real and substantial changes. Even making minor fixes is near impossible for the majority of us that would like to contribute due to the lack of assistance that is available and the convolution without documentation. I haven’t looked recently so it might have changes but even the setup directions are incomplete. The wiki gets you about 70% of the way then leaves the user to figure out the rest on their own. And yes, I realize that something like that is a fix that would be perfect for a person like me to do but by the time we get it sorted and working… but why bother? By the time we get to that point we’ve likely suffered some sort of abuse and have already been alienated.

For instance- https://community.trinitycore.org/topic/12113-gameobject-browser/

Me: There’s a few mislabeled gobjs in the DB.

Arokomes: You’re WRONG. The TDB is perfect and you don’t know how to look up an object by name and don’t know the difference between a modelID and a gobjID.

Me: No it’s not. I don’t know everything about the project but I know that Skybreaker is not a Chapel. ::proof::

::cricket, cricket::

Arokomes: ::Closes next well intentioned thread, no discussion::

A fucking apology would have been nice. Maybe some encouragement or review? Maybe stop getting so butt-hurt over a bit of criticism that is not untrue? 4.x was a joke. 5.x didn’t happen. 6.x didn’t happen. But “oooh, look out, here comes 7.x and it’s going to be different. We’re going to get caught up with all the changes and this is going to be our next stable branch.” “Uhhh… probably not?” “Shut up, what have you done?” “You’re being mean to us developers, shut up- no one gets to talk about this new expansion anymore.”

lul, like current and past contributors worked on a simpler source code. It looks like the usual excuse.

You might want to check http://blog.smartbear.com/programming/14-ways-to-contribute-to-open-source-without-being-a-programming-genius-or-a-rock-star/

Improving the wiki is a good start for contributors and it doesn’t require any programming knowledge. It only requires the will to work on it.

If you have a problem with Aokromes take it to PM

I don’t think Aokromes can get butt-hurt. I see only 1 person who’s lost control of his emotions here.

A little bit more on topic about 335 being updated for no good reason, I can assure you I’m going to update 335 many times for reasons that users won’t see as good reasons but that a C++ developer would see as the most important and relevant things to do.

Oh boy…

first of all, don’t back up Maxxgold. He quite obviously doesn’t know what he’s talking about, or he’s completely oblivious. He was not providing any constructive criticism, he was bashing, clearly. That is why the thread was locked. If you truly believe that TC has only “shined up” other peoples work, then you also don’t know what you are talking about or are oblivious. MaNGOS is a big part of what makes TC so great, but NOT the sole reason, not even remotely close. I would list off some of the massive things that TrinityCore has done which greatly impacted the quality of TrinityCore, but it’s really not worth the effort. I suspect all the time I’m spending typing this is completely futile, as they say haters gonna hate. Anyone who has used ManGOS aswell as TrinityCore would know, and anyone who has paid attention to TC’s work over the past few years would also know.

The wiki is perfectly fine, I had a friend use it to set up TC for the first time just the other day. the only problems she had were things she missed / misread in the guide, and the vmap batch file code was missing for some reason. There are obviously some rare cases where you encounter some issue that the wiki doesn’t have any information about, but nothing is perfect. 95% of times if you’re having issues it’s because you fucked something up or missed something. In that 5% case, that’s where the TC IRC is useful.

Regarding support: TC devs dont have to give ANY support, they choose to. therefor you have no right to cry about how you were treated. Aokromes did nothing wrong, he is in fact correct, TDB data should ALWAYS be correct, as it is taken directly from blizzard. There are however some cases where data could be wrong, albeit incredibly unlikely. Aokromes did nothing to mistreat you. he told you what he knows. If you are correct and there is a mistake, you are foolish to think that Aokromes should kiss your feet and beg forgiveness if you are correct and what he said isn’t. Would it be polite to apologize if you are correct? perhaps, but as i said they can do or not do what ever they’d like. TC is giving support purely because they want to.

7.x- no one said it would be the next thing TC works on, wat? but also, Maxxgold was crying that TC “doesn’t want to finish what they start”, and your argument is that you don’t like the state of 4.x or 6.x, both of you choose to cry to or bash the developers, which really makes absolutely no sense to me. Why in the world would you bash or whine about the very people who are working towards doing what you are wanting? If anyone is to blame for progress not being as fast as someone would like, it is the very people who are saying that progress isn’t fast enough. They are the very ones who could have the power to speed up progress to their liking, yet they choose to stand by and watch / whine. They have no right. That being said, the state of 6.x is quite good in my opinion. I believe that TC should have a great back end, which few people are able to develop, and users should work on the front end, which requires little skill, and is much more fun for most. front end is scripts / most db things. Having a great backend provides the grounds for which virtually anyone can learn and modify things to their liking, while also limiting the expanse of private servers. Obviously my view of this is not the majority view, so I don’t expect anyone to understand or share my view.

Now, as for contributing. Yes, it is very difficult to learn what would be required to contribute enough to TC to make a difference, there is no doubt about that. I myself have been working with TC for just under 4 years and still don’t consider myself as skilled or wise as some of TC’s best. That doesn’t mean people should give up and resort to nonconstructive criticism or whining about the people who are knowledgeable not doing enough as they’d like. It takes a lot of time and a lot of motivation, but it can be done.

I expect if you were to reply to this, it would be something along the lines of “I’m not crying”, you are. You are frustrated that Aokromes didn’t follow up with a post regarding what you said, so you jump to conclusions. Then you back someone who is blatantly bashing the people who work on the project, and the work they’ve done, only to try and prove a misguided point that you believe he was giving useful criticism/information like you, and that TC is repressing people who try to give criticism or information. Some types of criticism are good, such as ways to improve code or a certain aspect of development. criticism about how much is being done or what is being done is NOT useful, ever. it provides no possible beneficial result.

I find https://github.com/memononen/recastnavigation/pull/18 to be a perfect example to prove the point above: a TrinityCore developer finds a bug in the OpenSource project recastnavigation used for Path Finding, submits a pull request, it gets merged and a MaNGOS developer thanks the TrinityCore developer for the work done https://github.com/memononen/recastnavigation/pull/18#issuecomment-45236471 .

That’s the OpenSource spirit :smiley:

Bzt

  1. That may or may not be. I do know that. I do know that there have been new methods implemented by developers without any accompanying documentation. Those new ways are undoubtedly for the better, just not as easy to pick up on without serious coaching.

  2. I have. I lost an entire night to that and the other stuff in that thread.

  3. As I think I said- You’re right. But I also know that there was a better walkthrough before that one replaced it.

  4. Probably should have. Just didn’t see anything coming from that. I understand why he locked it, I just don’t think he considered why I tried going about it like that. I didn’t want to post it to the bug tracker for someone else to fix, my intent was for it to be something of a log to refer so I could learn to fix myself and apply that to other quests. For instance… I couldn’t find the video for One Shot, One Kill on YouTube and just a few hours later Maibenrai was able to find and link it for me. Don’t know why I couldn’t find it as I was writing that post… found that exact video just a couple weeks ago just not that night.

  5. That’s your opinion. I still maintain that the Legion thread was not at the point of needing to be locked.

  6. And that’s great and I thank you for that. 3.3.5 is where my heart is at. I’d like to try later expansions but that is beside the point. Fact of the matter is that building a 7.x is going to require the changes that happened in 4, 5 and 6 to be addressed and they haven’t been. Likely won’t be either. Soon enough Blizz is going to be rolling 8 out and 7 will be added to the list of 4, 5, and 6.

  1. He does know. Sorry. But he does. 4, 5 and 6 didn’t happen and smart money says the same about 7. TC devs admittedly only work on what they want when they want. And that’s their prerogative being unpaid volunteers as they are. I just find it disingenuous to keep promoting the next expansion as when things are going to be different.

  2. No I don’t genuinely believe that. But at the same time… 4, 5 and 6 didn’t make it off the ground. Did they? The thread was locked because a moderator was a bit too quick with the ‘Lock’ button. The level of criticism didn’t quite warrant the level of response.

  3. It’s not about hate. I love TC because it has made it so that I can continue to play WotLK. I started retail during BC and LK will always be where my heart is. Thanks to TC I can continue to visit the places I love and remember before that dick Deathwing came through and fucked shit up,

  4. Except that it’s not. I know for a fact that the old guide got you all the way through the process. The new guide has nothing about setting up SQL to receive the database configuration. Doesn’t address how to setup the DBs required. Yeah, I could have edited the wiki myself to address those concerns but by the time I was successful with my own install I’d been down too many false starts to be sure that the way I managed to do it was the way the devs intended. My way was closer to the old way and vague remembrances from how I did it years ago.

  5. You’re right. They don’t. For the most part most of the devs do an outstanding job and things have improved considerably from when I walked away after dealing with the likes of Athena and Paradox. Do me a favor- hop in game on a dev account, do a lookup for ‘chapel’, spawn a 19001 and tell me that’s right. Tell me I was mistaking modelIDs for GobjIDs? Tell me that TDB is perfect.

  6. All it would have taken is a ‘my bad, I see what you’re saying now.’ once I replied and clarified what I was pointing out,

  7. Actually Nay implied it by posting the checkout command for the 7.x branch.

  8. Notice how you left 5 out of that? And how the TC repo only has 3.x and 6.x?

  9. I’m sorry that my brain does not work the same way as the TC devs. I’d love it if I could read\write code. Wish I could read sheet music too. But alas, not how I’m wired. Should I be hated on and blamed for that?

  10. How 'bout you point me to the documentation for SmartAI? And don’t tell me to ask questions in IRC or post my questions in the SmartAI Questions thread. Getting set to get to work then having to constantly stop and wait for assistance does nothing to help the learning curve. If there was proper documentation in place for the methods that have been implemented would allow the users to learn and work at their own pace to actually be able to make progress. There are far too many aspects of quest fixing to be able to rely on IRC and Forum questions.

  11. People need to get over the existence of private servers. That is where all of the talent to do what you expect the users to do resides. I am in no way saying that TC should support PS but perhaps your animosity towards them helps contribute to them not sharing their fixes back? Not all PS are out to make a profit on the back of the work TC devs have put into it. How do you think the majority of TC users find out about TC?

  12. That’s your perception. Reality is that I think it’s crap that a good thread got locked because someone with the power to shut it down did on the basis of very minor criticism. Things hadn’t gotten ‘too rough’. Address it or ignore it and move on. That thread would have still been completely viable for continuing the discussion of the next expansion.

You’re absolutely correct. OpenSource is great. I love the idea of OS more than I love TC… All the OS that I’ve been able to utilize for my own goals makes me warm and bubbly inside… Linux, Apache… TC… Love it all.

I have no idea what that means. Sorry.

edit:\ And just to be clear- I have made contributions to the repo. granted they were just small typos in the config files but still. I noticed it as I was going through and took the time and effort to make the commits and the pull requests.

This is how SmartAI looks to me: http://www.masswerk.at/keypunch/?b=dGhpcyBpcyBhIHNtYXJ0YWkgZXhhbXBsZQ==

I have no clue how someone can even make a sense out of it and script creatures/quests, kudos to them.

But it’s perfect for the users so the developers can concentrate on the backend. Scripting is supposed to be so easy for us plebs to pick it up and run with it…

there are tools for editing SAI (event horizon comes to mind). yeah its jibberish reading it raw. http://collab.kpsn.org/display/tc/smart_scripts has more than enough documentation for using SAI effectively. I myself learned SAI via that very page. Why are we picking on SAI anyway, seems kinda random. SAI is only one part of what is front end development.

@m_pan

Maybe a small statement from me why I locked the thread. Having a constructive discussion about Legion is totally fine with me, actually it is really appreciated. I had rather my problems with the last 4 posts. They weren’t in any kind related to the discussion that thread was about.
As Zedron already said: If someone is thinking that TC is just a polished Mangos, then I really have to assume that person never looked at the code or does not understand it.
I also do not understand why someone is spending time to write posts which do only spread critisicm and sarcasm. We (and I mean all contributors, not just the “TC team”) do this out of fun and I don’t want people to spoil this fun.

Regards
Carbenium

PS: A locked thread does not have to be locked forever…